Church of God News Blog; July 1 2018

A very warm welcome to all our brethren and guests.

19 Sep:   TheShiningLight Bible Studies site-   The Fast of Atonement article is scheduled for posting tomorrow, Thursday.  The fast will begin at sunset ending tomorrow, Thursday, and will last through sunset Friday.  There will be no post on Friday, posting will resume with Tabernacles articles beginning on the Sabbath. 

16 Sep:   Because the Fast of Atonement is on a Friday this year it is very important to properly prepare for the Sabbath on Thursday.  Be sure to have your casserole, stew. pot roast, soup or whatever you prepare for the Sabbath, ready and in the fridge by Thursday afternoon: Then you can just warm and serve after the fast and on the Sabbath!

 Aaron Dean has posted another comment.  I would highly recommend going to the article and reading through all of the comments. Reading through all of the comments would be very informative on both the subject and on the verbal techniques these folks use.

 

15 Sep:   A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s faithful!

13 Sep:   TheShiningLight-   As I update the Psalms and Festivals posts, I am also updating the Festivals books.  New editions will be published as soon as they are ready.

12 Sep:   A Blessed Feast of Trumpets for All God’s Faithful!

 

11 Sep:   See the latest Situation Report on the Middle East.

Mandatory evacuations in Virginia and the Carolina’s as monster category five Hurricane Florence to hit on Thursday. 

 

10 Sep:  Seventh Month New Moon Report-  

The New Moon was NOT seen from Jerusalem or anywhere in Israel this evening, therefore the first day of the Biblical Seventh Month will begin at sunset ending 11 September and the Feast of Trumpets will be all day until sunset Sep 12.

Early on Sep 11 there will be a post on the New Moon as it applies to the Feast of Trumpets. Tomorrow afternoon at 19:00 EDT there will be a post on events during the period between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets.  There will also be a post on the Feast of Trumpets, during the actual Feast on 12 Sep.

From 13 to 17 Sep Psalms 37 to 54 will be posted, after which will begin articles on Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles and Eighth Day.   During the Feast of Tabernacle we will post a study through the book of the law, Deuteronomy; in obedience to God’s command.

The Fast of Atonement will begin at sunset ending 20 Sept and last until sunset ending 21 Sep. The Feast of the Ingathering of Nations [also called Tabernacles] will begin at sunset ending 25 Sep and continue from Sep 26 to 2 Oct at sunset.  The Feast of the Eighth Day will begin at sunset ending 2 Oct and continue until sunset ending Oct 3.  To access these Studies please click the Biblical Studies tab at the top of this page. 

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8 Sep:   A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful!

 

7 Sep:   Feast of Trumpets-   Observers will be out looking for the new moon after sunset ending 10 Sep.  A sighting will be difficult with the sun setting at 18:48 and the moon setting while still in twilight at 19:28.  If the new moon is sighted, the Feast of Trumpets will be 11 Sep:  The Feast of Trumpets CANNOT be any earlier than 11 Sep.  If the moon is not sighted at Jerusalem after sunset on the evening of 10 Sep, then the Feast Day will be 12 Sep.  I strongly urge everyone to read our Calendar articles beginning with number 107 at this link.

 

5 Sep:   See the comments section on the side bar for Aaron Dean’s latest and my response to his dishonesty.

 

4 Sep:  Turkey rising to lead Middle East Islamic nations [except Egypt] in alliance with the rising New Federal Europe.

 

3 Sep:  The Bible Study site Fall Festival coverage will begin tomorrow 4 September with an Introduction and Overview of the Biblical Festivals. 

UCG-  In response to Aaron Dean’s denial of UCG making any changes with its new God of the Old Testament statement from the recent CoE meet, I have posted the published version of the UCG teaching on the God of the Old Testament here.

To clarify the UCG situation with COGBS and CGI.   Victor Kubik apparently spoke to Don Ward’s Big Sandy UCG congregation.  Another COGBS is led by Dave Havir.  Dave Havir’s COGBS is talking with the CGI.   UCG is also trying to reach out to CGI.  The situation is in flux.  

 

1 Sep:  A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful!  Special Music:  Presley “How Great Thou A rt”  Shea “How Great Thou Art

 

30 Aug:  LCG-  LCG continues to teach the error that an Islamic union will be the King of the South even though the scriptures (Psalm 83) tell us that Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and the Arab nations will be close allies of the King of the North and will be the nations which initially attack the king of the South, necessitating European intervention!

Not putting all scripture together LCG states “The Bible describes an Arabic “king of the South” who will ultimately end up fighting against and being overrun by a coming European “beast” power, also known as the “king of the North” (Daniel 11:40–43).”   Which is the precise opposite of the scriptures.  Yes these nations will ally together but not to fight Europe, rather they will be allied WITH Europe against the true biblical king of the South Egypt and Israel.  They have had eleven years of personal and public warnings and they still refuse to correct this gross error. 

 There is a massive buildup around Syria for a regional war

LCG-  Aug 2018, CoE Report 

 

27 Aug:   Madge has been diagnosed with advanced cancer and requests your prayers.

 

25 Aug:  A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful! 

Church of God News reports that congregations from the Church of God International (Tyler, Shreveport and some from Dallas) will be combining with CGBS [UCG Big Sandy]  for the Day of Trumpets. The Bible study will be given by Lenny Cacchio of the Kansas City Church of God, and Jeff Reed of the CGI will be giving the sermon.

 

24 Aug:   UCG-  “We are happy to announce the appointment of Mark Welch as Operation Manager for Ministerial and Member Services.”  One part of the job is coordination of ministerial education.  

 

22 Aug:  UCG to adopt major heresy-   I have added more material and expanded on the subject; this item was getting too long for this News Blog and has been moved to a post of its own here

 

20 Aug:  Dixon Cartwright suffers another stroke.   He has congestive heart failure and is scheduled for another stent (he has two) or possibly by- pass surgery today.  Dixon is a member of the COG Big Sandy and published  “The Journal” as a vehicle to push the Unitarian One God Movement heresy that the Father was the God of the Old Testament [see this article].  A heresy championed by the late Kenneth Westby and very popular in some circles in UCG, CGI and CGBS.  Dixon is very close to Alan Ruth of biblestudy.org and several leading personalities in UCG.

UCG-  UCG CoE meet in progressmany sessions will be secret.  Appointment of two members to the Fundamental Beliefs Amendment Committee and two alternate members to that
Committee is on the agenda. 

Now that UCG has changed their Rules of Association they are embarking on a big push to reach out to other smaller COG groups, particularly CGI.  

In a recent CGI  interview with UCG’s Victor Kubik it was mentioned that Victor Kubik recently gave Sabbath sermons at the Church of God International in the morning, and at the Church of God Big Sandy [UCG] in the afternoon.

During this year’s Feast of Tabernacles, Anthony Wasilkoff will be speaking to a festival site in Collingwood, Ontario sponsored by the CGI and the Canadian Church of God (which is affiliated with the Churches of God Outreach Ministries); Kevin Kenady will be at a site sponsored by the CGI and Christian Educational Ministries in Gilbertsville, Kentucky (Land between the Lakes); and Aaron Dean will be speaking both in Kentucky and at the CGI site in Harrison, Arkansas.

UCG also recently changed its formula for changing their doctrines [the Fundamental Beliefs Amendment Committee and process] in the CoE; not the List of Fundamental Beliefs, which is interpreted according to the doctrines decided by the CoE.  These two major changes approved at the recent GCE Conference open the way to seek accommodation with other smaller groups. 

Watch for subtle doctrinal changes reinterpreting the List of Beliefs to facilitate a closer relationship with certain other smaller COG groups.

 

19 Aug:   Please see today’s very important analysis of the present Middle East situation.  August 19, 2018; Situation Report the Middle East Today and Tomorrow

All of the major COG organizations have claimed that Islamic Extremism would take over the Islamic world and become the biblical king of the SOUTH.  Bob Thiel even prophesying that Islamic Extremism would take over Egypt.  I have repeatedly told them in private and in public that; no, organized Islamic Extremism would be defeated; and no, extremism would not take over the Islamic world; and no, Islamic Extremists would not take over Egypt. 

Holy Scriptures says that the king of the SOUTH is Egypt / Israel which will be overwhelmed by the New Federal Europe allied with the Islamic nations of Psalm 83!  Most Islamic countries far from fighting the king of the NORTH will be ALLIED with the New Federal Europe (Psalm 83).

I have consistently taught these things for the past eleven years only to be called a false teacher by these organizations, because I teach the truth out of the Word of God.

These organization’s prophetic positions are failing because they prefer to teach their own assumptions instead of relying on the Word of God!  Please do read the announced article and keep up with the daily Prophecy News Blog; and by all means, do follow the studies through the scriptures and carefully consider the doctrinal material at the Bible Studies site: to prepare for the coming of our LORD!

 

18 Aug:   A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful!  Special Music “I Will be Still”  Vietnamese version, very soothing.

 

17 Aug:  LCG-  Gerald Weston calls a fast: We are therefore calling for a Church-wide fast for the Sabbath of October 20. We recognize that some individuals or Church congregations already have plans in place for that Sabbath, so it is certainly fine to choose the next day or another day close to this day.”  

 

15 Aug:   A download of the updated Holy Day Date Chart in addition to the free download listing of the probable new moons through to the end of 2027 has now been added to the Festival Calendar page

 

14 Aug:    COGWA-  2018 visits to the COGWA website have declined from 765,083 in January to 456,732 in July.

UCG-  UCG to hold CoE Conference next week.

 

12 Aug:   It is beginning to look like an Israeli election will likely be called on 2 Sep for next spring and that that call will be followed by an Israeli attack on Gaza possibly also in Sep.  See the Aug 2018 News Prophecy Blog.

The new moon was sighted by observers in Jerusalem making sunset this evening the beginning of the sixth Biblical Month. 

The Feast of Trumpets and the New Moon of the Seventh Biblical Month.  There is a very slight chance [less than 10%] that the new moon will be seen at sunset ending  Sep 10, making the Trumpets High Day 11 Sep and one should be prepared just in case.  If the moon is NOT seen on that evening then the High Day will be 12 Sep. 

The Holy Day dates page has been updated with the years 2026 and 2027 added.  I have also added a free download listing the probable new moons through to the end of 2027.

God’s Word tells us to begin the new month with the first visible light of the new moon as seen from Jerusalem.  The new moon day is an Appointed Time like Passover and is not a High Day, it is to be observed with Bible Studies and the Shofar.  For more information please see the Calendar articles at this category.   

When Christ comes and the Ezekiel Temple is built, special new moon sacrifices will be offered and in addition to the Shofar being sounded in every town, the two silver trumpets will be sounded over the sacrifices in the Temple at Jerusalem.  See Ezekiel 40-48 and the Leviticus studies.

Remember that when Christ comes he will require all humanity to observe the New Moons.  Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

 

10 Aug:   TheShiningLight-  I have been working night and day through the summer revising, polishing and publishing the following books.  The Judges Ruth Samuel; Kings; Chronicles Esther Ezra Nehemiah; Jeremiah Lamentations; and Isaiah books have been finalized and are now available here.   

As a service to the brethren these books are also available for free electronic download here, just remember that there is no guarantee of internet or even electrical service in North America during the tribulation.

 

5 Aug:  UCG-  Victor Kubik reminisces abut his youth in an Evangelical style message comforting people that God will never forsake them.  

He ends with a quote from an Evangelical mistranslation: “And finally, I invite you to read these words from Romans slowly and ponder their magnificent meaning for you and me: “ nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow… nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39, NLT).

It is true that nothing can separate us from God’s love, but it is also true that our sins separate from God.  Being separated from God by sin yet not separated from God’s love mystifies some, but it shouldn’t. 

A normal parent loves their spouse and their children, but that does not mean that they love everything their spouse or child does!  If our child grows up and engages in much sin, do our hearts not ache for them because we love them and we are deeply troubled by their self destructive behaviors?  It is because we love them that we hate their departure for the paths of life harming themselves and others. So it is with God, he loves all humanity dearly and for this reason he corrects the wicked.  

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 

The Creator gave his life to save mankind from the wages of sin; that is how much God loves humanity.   

Our sins separate us from God and God does not want us to be separated from HIM: 

Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

It is because of God’s love for us that he will correct us in “tough love” when we go astray.   Yes Victor is correct in that God loves us and that nothing can separate us from God’s love, but it is necessary that because of his love, God will not overlook sin but will correct us whenever we go astray from living by every Word of God. 

It is because God deeply loves us that he will cast us into great tribulation (Rev 3:15-22) in the hope that afflicting the flesh will spiritually save us to eternal life. 

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God [we defile the spiritual Temple by sinning] , him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Far too many use God’s love as an excuse to justify failing to stop living contrary to the Word of God. Sin hurts us, it hurts others; and God will not tolerate any uncleanness of sin in his people.

 

4 Aug:   A blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful! 

LCG:    With all that is going on in the world, the best LCG can do is comment on the weatherKeep informed visit our live News Prophecy Blog regularly

Jerry Clevenger, of the Statesville, an elder in the North Carolina congregation has died. Mr. Clevenger, an elder since 2013, died on July 24.

Just posted:  Doug Winnail and Corporate Unity

 

28 July:   A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful

 

30 July:  I have completed the process of moving the news prophecy articles from the worldwatch.is site to TheShiningLight.  During the move I have consolidated many of the small articles into several larger more comprehensive articles.  These news prophecy articles may now be found at the News and Prophecy Articles category at TheShiningLight. 

All of the News Prophecy daily news live bogs have also been moved and may now be found at this link.

As of now all attempts to access articles at the worldwatch.is site will be automatically redirected to TheShiningLight Articles page.

 

23 July:  LCG-   Gerald Weston’s latest personal complaining about LCG members not reading their literature or watching their broadcasts. 

LCG Revenue was $19.4 million in 2016 & $17.8 million in 2017.

UCG-  Elder Leroy Cole died early the morning of July 17, with his wife, Laura, and two of their daughters by his side.  His last assignment was Bethlehem, Lewistown and York, Pennsylvania.   The funeral was Sunday in Emigrant, Montana, near Yellowstone National Park. 

Newly-ordained elder Devin Schulz and his wife, Tiffany will be moving to Kalamazoo, Michigan, after the Feast of Tabernacles. Devin will be an assistant pastor for Kalamazoo, Lansing and Grand Rapids with pastor Mike Joseph.

UCG has restarted its Bible Studies program of 2002 with a study through Ecclesiastes.  I am delighted that UCG is following the example of TheShiningLight and beginning to do study / commentaries through the scriptures; now even acknowledging that Ecclesiastes is appointed to be read at the Feast of Tabernacles. Our own Ecclesiastes study for the Feast of Tabernacles is at this link

However the actual UCG “study” is a deeply disappointing rendition of traditional mainstream commentaries instead of a serious study into the scriptures. It seems that no serious thought has been put into understanding the scripture and all they can do is quote commentaries and parrot the traditional mainstream.

This is a study of commentaries on the Catholic Protestant take on Ecclesiastes; it is not a study of Ecclesiastes.  This is a repetition of what unconverted men say about Ecclesiastes; it is not an independent, open minded, prayerful study of the scriptures. 

They will be posting New Testament studies soon and if Ecclesiastes is any indication those NT studies will be an indoctrination into mainstream “Christianity” as UCG continues to reveal their strong drift away from godliness into mainstream religion.   

I am just completing and polishing the Epistles which will provide a solid standard for comparison with any mainstream commentary based NT studies.   To see the direction that UCG is taking, watch what they teach in the upcoming NT studies [especially the Epistles] very, very, carefully and do visit our studies and compare.

 

21 July:   A Blessed Sabbath for All God’s Faithful!  Special Music “Great is the Lord”  

UCG-   UCG announces another “Jelly” movie short.

 

17 July:   COG-PCG-  Ron Weinland’s organization is in a state of collapse dropping to 200 members with more contemplating leaving.

 

14 July:  A Blessed New Moon for All God’s Faithful!    The new moon was seen by many observers just after sunset from Jerusalem this evening making 15 Jul the first day of the fifth biblical month!  

God’s Word tells us to begin the new month with the first visible light of the new moon as seen from Jerusalem.  The new moon day is an Appointed Time like Passover and is not a High Day, it is to be observed with Bible Studies and the Shofar.  For more information please see the Calendar articles at this category.   

When Christ comes and the Ezekiel Temple is built, special new moon sacrifices will be offered and in addition to the Shofar being sounded in every town, the two silver trumpets will be sounded over the sacrifices in the Temple at Jerusalem.  See Ezekiel 40-48 and the Leviticus studies.

For HWA and the New Moons see these articles

Remember that when Christ comes he will require all humanity to observe the New Moons.  Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

For extensive commentary/studies through the entire bible visit our completely free TheShiningLight School of Biblical Studies.  

Manuscripts can also be electronically downloaded at this site’s Free page. 

 

9 July:   COGWA-  Jim Franks announces new ministers:  “The six hires are Chad Messerly (hired in July 2017) from Columbus, Ohio; Zach Smith (hired in November 2017) from Akron, Ohio; Caleb Froedge (hired July 2, 2018) from the Kansas City area; Larry Solomon (hired July 2) from East Texas; Wes Cohron (hired July 2) from Buford, Georgia; and David Jackson (from part-time to full-time on July 16) from Maryland.”

Church of God – Preparing for the Kingdom of God-  Ronald Weinland suffered another heart attack on 7 July and has undergone quadruple bypass surgery, he is still in hospital.  Ron who claims to be one of the two witnesses along with his wife as the second witness, is widely seen as a false prophet and has only a few remaining followers.

 

7 July:   LCG-   LCG is working on a new Portuguese website and has seven Portuguese language booklets printed and available to be announced when the site is up and running.  UCG’s Jorge DeCampos has been involved in Portuguese efforts for years.

 

1 July:  UCG-  United Church of God  July-August 2018 issue of the Beyond Today magazine online.

COGWA-  Church of God a Worldwide Association  July-August 2018 edition of Discern Magazine online.

LCG-  Living Church of God  The July-August 2018 issue of Tomorrow’s World magazine on-line.

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  1. Re: 23 July – At least UCG is not leaning on Herbert Armstrong’s writings in its Bible Commentary. His name doesn’t occur in the Ecclesiastes study once. Other COG’s would make sure his name and quotes showed up often.

  2. You said:

    “God’s Word tells us to begin the new month with the first visible light of the new moon as seen from Jerusalem.”

    How about some scripture verses to back that up? Thank you.

    This is covered extensively and in depth through ten articles beginning with post 110 at this category https://godourlight.info/category/101-sabbath-and-calendar/

    James

  3. Re: 22 Aug – How confusing! Didn’t you report that Mark Mickelson was nudged toward retirement by UCG for preaching about God the Father in the O.T.? Why would UCG now accept a teaching that might have cost a long-time minister his job?

    Mark retired with cancer and health issues. I did report that the CoE rejected his paper https://godourlight.info/rebuke-of-mark-mickelson-from-the-ucg-chairman-and-president-june-28-2017/

    Here are the four posts on the Mickelson doctrine thread. https://godourlight.info/rebuke-of-mark-mickelson-from-the-ucg-chairman-and-president-june-28-2017/

    It seems that since he was retiring anyway they set up Mark and used the Mickelson Paper to test the waters in UCG and later decided to go ahead with the main point of that paper. Yes, these folks are that devious, remember how they established the same sort of changes in the Tkach WCG.

    UCG is now making a profound cosmic change in its teachings [doctrine]. I have been warning of doctrinal change for some years now, which is why I have worked so hard on doctrinal posts on this and related subjects.

    The warnings I have given about the direction of UCG for the past eight years are true and the only way to fight this apostasy [as per Jude’s instruction] before it actually came, was by posting on sound biblical doctrine to prepare the brethren for what was coming.

    With the majority of the ministry on line they have now finally decided to go forward. They are crafting a Doctrinal Paper for approval in December.

    UCG has always taken the biblically correct Armstrong position, which I also teach [and by now everyone should know that I do not follow HWA or any man and I teach only what I have proved from the Holy Scriptures]; that the Being who became Jesus Christ was THE sole God of the Old Testament known to Mosaic Israel and known in the Old Testament, and that Jesus revealed God the Father and explained certain scriptures such as Psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    See HWA http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.com/books/ISJESUSG/IS_J_GOD.HTM

    Many other COG Groups also retain this truth see https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.verses/ID/4042/Jesus-Christ-Revealing-Father-verses.htm
    and
    https://www.cbcg.org/jesus/how-jesus-revealed-the-father-01.html

    UCG is now departing from the Holy Scriptures into the very exact same teaching that they established for Joe Tkach; and is making a dramatic cosmic change in its teachings [doctrine] by denying that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament and Mosaic Israel.

    The List of Fundamental Beliefs is simply a list of core positions and is NOT a complete list of doctrine.

    UCG doctrine is established by the CoE [NOT the GCE] and consists of various Doctrinal Papers and interpretations of the List of Beliefs.

    Even the List of Beliefs can be changed in two ways

    1 by a vote of the GCE or

    2 by the CoE simply reinterpreting items on the list

    UCG doctrine [which is NOT the List of Beliefs] is easily changed by a CoE vote on a new Doctrinal Paper.

    Whether one agrees with what is being proposed or not; it is obviously a major change in UCG doctrine! and in my view and that of thousands of others this is absolute heresy.

    If they follow through with this there is going to be a reshuffle in future; many will leave UCG while others will join with them according to their personal ideas on the subject.

    James

  4. UCG has been blatantly bringing in apostacy since 2010.
    What is said in the UCG sermons by both new speakers and anointed ministers has been a disgrace. The sermons are rubbish. They are biblically illiterate.

    It has become a very toxic church with all manner of outrageous sin going on, that the brethren are forced to accept.

    This is from UCG in Europe. James

  5. It is news to me James that Ron Dart believed in one God Doctrine. I heard him repeatedly preach against the one God doctrine. I think you have made a mistake there.
    So who now are UCG saying spoke to Moses and stood on Mount Sinai and stood afar off when Israel collected water? God the father ? An angel ?
    This is the beginning of the end for UCG.

    I did not say that Ron Dart, COGBS, CGI or these UCG folks are One God people, if I conveyed that impression I apologize. I said that they were abandoning the Biblical and Armstrong position that after sin entered the world God the Father left human affairs in the SOLE hands of the Son and that when Jesus came he revealed the Father. UCG is now claiming that BOTH the Father and the Son were actively involved in relationships with human beings during the Old Testament age which is a radical departure from present doctrine.

    The basic beliefs of these organizations would all allow for this interpretation; but it is a new change for UCG nonetheless, as demonstrated by their need to pass a new Doctrinal paper.

    I also pointed out that this new teaching opened the way for the Father to be claimed to be the LORD of Hosts the God of Mosaic Israel which is what Mark Mickelson claims, which claim then opens the door to the false evangelical claim that there is no need to obey the laws that God gave to Moses in the New Covenant.

    I posted the positions of a few others, here is my already posted article on this general subject of the God of the Old Testament. This article and series was posted to deal with this very subject which I had been watching develop for at least two years in UCG. https://theshininglight.info/levites-and-priests/

    The whole Priesthood and Ministry series https://theshininglight.info/category/the-priesthood-and-ministry/

    They are only taking the first step now and I do not personally think that the changes will go beyond the present move to remove Christ as the SOLE God of the Old Testament and claim that the Father was also fully involved during that dispensation for some time yet. Again this is only the first step in a process and these folks well remember the exodus from the WCG and are working very carefully and slowly to avoid that debacle.

    This whole thing will proceed slowly; this first move will take months to establish officially and it will many months more for people to get used to the idea before they can proceed further.

    The next steps may not even take place before the tribulation begins; but when they come under pressure, UCG and many others will fall as organizations because they are already leaning to their own ways and are not standing on the Word of God as revealed by their Sabbath pollution, false apostate calendar, the primacy of Peter Nicolaitane governance by many groups and their failed prophetic statements.

    I hope this clarifies things a little. Once the formal paper is published I can get deeper into the matter.

    UCG is now claiming that BOTH the Father and the Son were actively involved in relationships with human beings during the Old Testament age which is a radical departure from present doctrine. The One God movement teaches that Jesus only came into existence at his human birth which neither Dart nor these folks claim, but the One God heresy is indeed still well established in some UCG people.
    James

  6. James, 20 Aug 2018, you wrote: “…Now that UCG has changed their Rules of Association they are embarking on a big push to reach out to other smaller COG groups, particularly COG Big Sandy and CGI.

    In a recent CGI interview with UCG’s Victor Kubik it was mentioned that Victor Kubik recently gave Sabbath sermons at the Church of God International in the morning, and at the Church of God Big Sandy in the afternoon…UCG…two major changes approved at the recent GCE Conference open the way to seek accommodation with other smaller groups.

    Talks with the COG Big Sandy leadership were the real reason behind last winter’s UCG CoE Conference in Big Sandy.

    Watch for subtle doctrinal changes [Update: This warning was fulfilled on 22 Aug when a major change was announced!!!] at the UCG CoE level, reinterpreting the List of Beliefs to facilitate a closer relationship with certain other smaller COG groups…”

    James could you please clarify one thing relative to the Church of God (COG) Big Sandy? When you use that phrase are you referring to United Ass., which is located in Big Sandy, or are you referring to Dave Havir’s cog group in Big Sandy?

    My wife is associated with United and is unaware of Victor Kubik’s giving a Sabbath sermon at Dave Havir’s Church of God Big Sandy.

    Tkx, in advance, for your clarification.

    John

    John I am sorry the only information I have is from the linked interview. All I can suggest is that you watch that interview again or have your wife ask her elder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwvtAaFGW3o&list=PLt9QqCyvx6f8porZLS49WynC_yvLVpON2&index=3&t=0s James

  7. Hi James,

    Today, I watched that linked interview you suggested and I did notice Victor Kubik’s (VK)/United’s latest/future involvment with CGI. I also did hear VK mention United’s Church of God (COG) in Big Sandy; however, I did not pick up on knowledge regarding Dave Havir’s COG group in Big Sandy.

    John

    OK It looks like he was referring to United in BS. Thanks for clarifying this.
    James

  8. who is Madge?

    Madge is a long time visitor to our sites. I cannot identify her further.
    James

  9. Re: 30 Aug – The minutes show the UCG (not LCG) Council of Elders added a section to their “Ministerial Code of Ethics,” which can be found at “the ministerial website.”

    Given what’s been happening lately in the Roman Catholic Church, and even a few major U.S. Protestant ministries, wouldn’t it be a good move of transparency to publish that code for the general membership to see? Perhaps to use as a measuring stick for their Pastors?

    And saying “it’s the Bible” probably isn’t good enough.

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